I modified both of them, because out-of-the-box, they didn't do exactly what I wanted them to. First of all, as you can see from the photo above, the sensor wire built into them is only a few inches long, meaning you can only sense the temperature right next to the outlet. Since I wanted to use them to control temps inside a fridge or freezer, this meant that I had to run an extension cord to the thermostat, which I would then place inside the fridge, and then plug the fridge cord into the thermostat. The fridge cord would have to run to the outside of the fridge, where it was hard-wired in. You could use it this way, which I did for awhile, but I realized it wasn't optimal to have a heavy duty extension cord running into the fridge, and also to have the thermostat outlet inside the fridge, operating in a cold, damp environment.
Before I explain how I modified these thermostats, be aware that any modification will void the warranty. Also, be sure to make sure that thermostat is unplugged, and the battery is removed before doing any work on the thermostat. Señor Brew™ is not suggesting that you make any changes to your thermostat, nor is he responsible if you break your thermostat, or electrocute yourself or the cat or set your house on fire, or any other unfortunate event that may occur during or because of modifications you may make to your outlet thermostat.
So I added a length of cord to the sensor wire. This was easily accomplished by cutting the sensor cord, attaching some lamp wire, and reattaching the sensor to the other end of the lamp wire. Now, I could eliminate the extension cord, and just run the sensor wire from the outlet thermostat into the fridge.
Thermostat with sensor wires cut.
Sensor cut off
Lamp cord ends stripped
Heat shrink connectors at thermostat
Heat shrink connectors at sensor
Secondly, I wanted to use the modified freezer chest to lager my lagers, at least when I wasn't using it to serve beers. Ideally, I wanted to set it to just above freezing, to lager my beers as cold as possible. The problem here was that the outlet thermostats lower range was 45F. I did find that there was an adjustment factor you could program in, adjusting the temperature plus or minus 5F. Meaning, if you adjusted it down all the way, the thermostat would read 45F when it was actually 40F. Of course this still wasn't good enough for me, so I decided to swap out the sensor.
I contacted an engineer at Lux via email to ask them what type of sensor was in the thermostat currently. It turns out that it's a thermistor. I don't have the original email, but I remember that it was an NTC thermistor, and I believe it was 50k ohms. NTC stands for Negative Temperature Coefficient, meaning that resistance decreased at higher temperatures. (This is opposite of how metals react, which is why computers run better when they are cold, there is less resistance in the copper circuits within them). I did the math, and realized that if I swapped in a 30k ohm thermistor, my thermostat would think it was 20 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than it truly was. Meaning that I could set the thermostat to 53 degrees Fahrenheit, and it would continue to run the freezer until it was actually 33F. (Incidentally, if you wanted to use this controller to heat something outside its upper range of 95F, you could swap in a higher resistance thermistor, so the thermostat would read a temperature lower than the true temperature).
Instead of cutting the sensor cord, as I did with the other thermostat, I simply opened the thermostat, removed the sensor cord and all, and swapped in another lamp cord with my 30k ohm thermistor soldered into the other end of it.
Lamp cord connected inside thermostat
30k ohm thermistor purchased from Allied Electric
New thermistor soldered in and covered with rubber
Senor Brew,
ReplyDeleteNice blog posting. I like the idea of extending the probe using lamp cord, it seems like an easy modification. Keep on brewin'.
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Beer Diary...
1. Good idea.
ReplyDelete2. Could you have extended the thermostat lead by disconnecting it like you show in the second part and connecting the lamp cord directly to the board? That would eliminate one splice.
3. Is the thermostat sensor at 120volt or is it reduced voltage?
JDS:
ReplyDelete1. Thanks
2. Yes
3. I assume it is reduced voltage. If you search the allied electric site, you should be able to find the replacement sensor. Even though I posted this last year, I actually made the modifications years ago, so I'm a little fuzzy on the details.
Yes, the voltage is reduced. The whole thing is in charge of controlling a relay that physically switches the 120 on and off. The rest of it is probably 5V or 3V DC.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the writeup. I have been searching the internet all day to find out what kind of thermocouple the LUX WIN100 had. Now that I know it is just a thermistor I'm all set to purchase one and modify it.
ReplyDeleteMan, looked at your link for the math...what math did you do? Does each 1k ohm = 1deg F for an NTC thermistor, or was that just a coincidence in this case?
ReplyDeleteIt is a coincidence. This post is 2 years old, and I actually made the modifications probably 4 years ago, so I no longer have the worksheet. But I do remember that I had to convert to Celsius (actually Kelvin) when working it out.
ReplyDeleteWhat range are you trying to control in? I ask because I no longer use the controller with the alternate thermistor. I use the original with the temperature set to 45F in my El Kegerator, and now have a lagering fridge with it's original thermostat that can be set from 33F to 47F. (I ferment lagers at 47F and lager at 33F).
Great post - We're going to write about how to rewire this digital temp controller.
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